By: Kevin S.
Is anybody surprised that Juan Pierre would lash out against something that thoroughly destroys his professional worth?
View ArticleBy: illcomm
Jaun is right. Stats are just stats. They don’t measure the intangibles, just the stuff that can be quantified. In the end stats are all most r measured on and remembered by.
View ArticleBy: bleed4philly
Runs are stats too, and ultimately they’re the only thing that matters.
View ArticleBy: florida76
Actually, intangibles can always be quantified in the end. People who play sports and understand what they are watching know this very well. Ask the 2011 Cards about the value of intangibles, or the...
View ArticleBy: Baseball Beer Burritos In That Order
“Sacrifice bunting doesn’t make any sense to do.” Unwittingly, Juan Pierre makes a good point.
View ArticleBy: paperlions
He’s also wrong, the only people that do “look at the guy going first to third or taking that extra bag” are the cybergenicists.
View ArticleBy: paperlions
Assuming you were being serious (and not satirical), intangibles can not ever be quantified because they are intangible. If you can quantify them, by definition, they are not intangible. The 2011...
View ArticleBy: bleedgreen
Is going 1st to 3rd on a single even a stat that people keep? Or scoring from 1st on a base hit? I mean, it counts as a run, but the fact that the guy went 1st -> home on a single should mean...
View ArticleBy: illcomm
Florida you r pretty dumb sounding with that comment. the cards won last year cause they had the best nighttime batting avg. those r real stats. not intangibles.
View ArticleBy: jake6881
Juan, you are a great player, great person and just a great example of how the game is sometimes played, and should be played. He lacks size, he makes it up with smarts, he lacks power, he makes it up...
View ArticleBy: drmonkeyarmy
Thank you PaperLions….the Cards won because LaRussa got out of the way and let the guys play. They got great contributions from everybody on the roster and benefited greatly from the Rasmus trade....
View ArticleBy: drmonkeyarmy
Yes, Bleedgreen people do keep track of that type of stuff. I believe, and correct me if I am wrong, some of the calculations of WAR take into account base running….not just stolen bases, but taking...
View ArticleBy: NJgriffNC
I’m very disappointed after reading most of the comments on this page. Sabermetrics are very useful statistics, but I am sad to see that they are dissuading this (my) generation from continuing to...
View ArticleBy: ptfu
It’s because he’s simultaneously wearing two hats, thus squeezing his brain and his comprehension.
View ArticleBy: paperlions
That is correct Dr. Monkey, base running is incorporated into WAR (and pretty much nothing else), and it keeps track of everything associated with base running, essentially comparing how a player...
View ArticleBy: paperlions
Intangibles and such (e.g. being a good guy, working hard, fundamentals) are already incorporated into measurements of performance. IF having good fundamentals results in better fielding, hitting, or...
View ArticleBy: ptfu
Juan Pierre gets a lot of his WAR value from his baserunning*. This is especially amazing considering his 75% stolen base rate, which is widely considered to be break-even. In effect, that baserunning...
View ArticleBy: spencersteel
Okay, let’s say runs are the only thing that matters. Juan Pierre, with his speed, sacrifice bunting, moving runners over, and coming to the plate 725 times a season, hasn’t managed to score 100 of...
View ArticleBy: spencersteel
I’m not surprised, but Joe Morgan – a great, great player who sabermetrics has revealed to have been even better than people believed – makes the same derisive comments. Course, Juan’s grossed about...
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